• Michael-

    Interesting piece. And thanks for the shout-out as one of "some of the best". Me, Wert, and Dan Neil. What a trio. I'm flattered. But just for your FYI, no manufacturer flew me out to the Detroit show or put me up while I was there. I was just a journalist whose media outlet sent him in to cover the event so our readers could share my sophomoric take. (And I was definitely not there for the food.)

    Hope all is well up there in Canadia.

    xoxo
    Brett Berk
    Vanity Fair
  • jack b
    This is such a solid article that I'm going to steal the concept for Avoidable Contact #31. Don't worry, I'll pull a LLN and forget to give you credit. :)
  • cbaccus
    There are a couple big topics in this article. I think Brian addressed the forum one very well. I will add though that many brands have involved forum members in outreach, launches, and other activities over the years including some very early examples by Jeep, Ford and GM. That has been going on for a long time it just seems non-existant with so much attention on the new shiny object - social media sites like Twitter and Facebook.

    I do want to address one area I think there is a bit of misunderstanding about concerning does source matter. I love Byron Hurd's comment but it isn't exactly right. Funny, but not entirely accurate. That is the idea that it doesn't matter who blogs or writes about your products.

    When looking at data on specific publications having influence on people who actually bought specific vehicles, there is definitely more influence and authority with certain publications even online. Also, many may find it interesting that Google's own pageranking process (this is the most update version as discussed on a recent Podcast from the guys at Marketing Over Coffee) takes influence very seriously and social media is far, far less important. See the numbers below to see how sites are ranked when consumers, even car shoppers, use Google to get at reviews. It definitely matters what domain your site is on and its influential reach.

    24% is the authority of the host domain (how trusted is it)
    23% link popularity
    20% external anchor links to that particular page
    15% on-page keyword
    7% visitor traffic and click-through data
    6% social graph metrics (Twitter)
    5% registration and hosting data (private registration hurts you as does short time of owning/starting domain)

    Anyway I just wanted to add to that topic. I also feel lately that we as an industry don't tap the forums as much as we should. There is such great influence, information and knowledge in those groups. I've been a member of a couple forums for over a decade and can't believe how often I still engage with them years and years later, far more than any blog I've engaged with.
  • michaelbanovsky
    Agreed! You make some good points, and I think a concentrated, honest effort would include reaching out to current / past owners of your products.

    I'm not quite sure how the industry got to be where manufacturers used ad agencies and writers to get the word out about their products. With social media and the Internet in general, when done properly it's possible to reach many more people with way fewer resources…and get a bigger return. What's the cost of having a 2-3 person team with a 50k salary each, when they'll directly contribute to thousands of new vehicle sales?

    Someone like @scottmonty is doing a great job in reaching people who were never spoken to by a manufacturer. That helps bring new, potential Ford buyers into the fold. The perfect 1-2 punch would be backing that up with a direct effort to speak to current owners.

    Engineers, apparently, already sort of do this when they're making a new truck. I've been in presentations where they say they've been all over to see how people use trucks, how they live with the product, etc. It's great and I'm sure works wonders, but that process can be refined and should be extended to all products and all customers who want to share.

    A press event can run easily more than $50k, all to speak to a small group of individuals that rarely represent your customer base. They have great reach, sure, but how many people drive cars and don't read the auto section at all? I'd say most people.

    M!
  • I love the forum idea. It's brilliant, but as a forum junkie (less and less so these days), I would say that it's more important to engage those owners/enthusiasts already participating on their own forums, rather than try to compete with a corporate-owned community of your own. Corporate owned communities lend themselves to mistrust which, while certainly possible to overcome, adds a considerable amount of effort to things. Why create new forum members when you can reach out to existing ones?

    Think of it this way, there are already thousands of communities out there built around this platform or that brand, and the members of these communities are there for the camaraderie with other owners. It's owners helping owners. Now, if these communities have already established themselves as the go-to centers of tech and community, why reinvent the wheel? What incentive is there for me as a customer/owner/user to join and participate in a corporate-owned community?

    You can be a pie slicer or a pie *sizer.* Starting another community revolving around owners of this or participants of that is a way of slicing the pie. Take the existing size of your market and slice it into yet another, smaller, slice. People generally don't leave one community for another. We join multiple communities and it can get to the point where you've got so many channels vying for your attention that you dilute your potential.

    Don't slice the pie into yet another tiny little wafer of ultra-targeted, psuedo-community. Be a pie *sizer* and make that pie bigger. Participate in existing communities and help those people realize value in participation. Rather than invite people to a bigger, fancier party where you can show off your palatial digs, show up to the neighborhood block parties and treat everyone there like the celebrities.

    I'm of the opinion that a brand, say Mitsubishi (wink), should expand their social media presence beyond Twitter and Facebook and start dipping their toes in the Mitsubishi forums out there. Find out which ones are the largest, have the most active members, have been around the longest, or best align with the message Mitsubishi wants to send to the market. Join those forums and start contributing.

    Like you said, Michael, give current owners an inside track. It doesn't even have to be a true "insider" deal. This information is all over the place thanks to press releases, but Mitsubishi is here, in our house, to tell us about it personally. That can make all the difference in the world.

    Then ask those community members that engage with the brand if they would allow you to share their story or details of the interaction on the company's home page or blog. Maybe it gets used in a commercial for print or TV in the future. Who's going to turn that down?

    I like to think of it like this: We all aspire to greatness, to be like our heroes. We invest an endless amount of energy in the pursuit of excellence, of recognition, of our dreams. What is the effect of those heroes at the mountaintop reaching back, extending a hand, and saying, "You're almost there! Let me help you!"

    The brand that can do that will be 10ft tall and bulletproof imo.
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